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    Air China flight CA723 takes off from the Beijing Capital International Airport in Beijing, on August 12, 2026. China launched the first international route featuring its homegrown C919 aircraft, connecting Beijing with Ulaanbaatar, capital of Mongolia. Photo: VCGAt around 4:58 pm on Wednesday, Air China flight CA723, a China-designed and manufactured C919 aircraft carrying 121 passengers, landed in Mongolian capital Ulaanbaatar, marking the latest milestone in the C919's commercial operation since its maiden commercial flight on May 28, 2023. The journey, which started in Beijing, was more than another takeoff, as it marked the C919's first international commercial flight and the beginning of regular international operations for China's homegrown large passenger aircraft.
As the C919 climbs higher and flies farther beyond China's borders, the runway behind it gradually disappears. What comes into focus instead is a much broader journey - one in which China's advanced engineering capabilities are reaching new markets, new partners and new possibilities around the world.
Historic moment
Hours before takeoff, a passenger surnamed Zhang, who was completing check-in procedures at Beijing Capital International Airport, said with a smile that he had stumbled into a "historic moment" by chance.
"I didn't pay much attention when I booked the ticket. I had heard that our homegrown C919 would soon begin international service, but I never expected it would be this very flight," Zhang told the Global Times on Wednesday. "I feel incredibly proud and excited."
From its maiden flight in Shanghai in 2017, when its first takeoff had many watching with bated breath, to its first scheduled international commercial service today, the C919's journey reflects China's sustained push to build up its capabilities in advanced aviation manufacturing. 
In recent years, China's top-level policies have strongly supported the development of high-end manufacturing. As the nation enters the opening year of the 15th Five-Year Plan period (2026-30), Chinese high-end manufacturing is increasingly translating technological breakthroughs into globally competitive products and solutions to contribute more broadly to industrial development and connectivity worldwide, Chinese experts noted.
And the C919 program is one of China's most ambitious endeavors to push the frontiers of high-end manufacturing.
The C919 is China's first self-developed trunk jetliner in accordance with international airworthiness standards and registered with independent intellectual property rights, according to the Xinhua News Agency on Wednesday.
Industry experts said the C919's progress reflects the rapid advance of China's broader manufacturing capabilities. Only a handful of countries are capable of developing single-aisle mainline passenger jets, and even fewer can bring a certified aircraft into commercial service.
The C919 aircraft's biggest achievement is that China has built the capability to take a large passenger jet from the drawing board all the way to a certified commercial product, covering overall design, airframe manufacturing, system integration and airworthiness approval, Wang Ya'nan, editor-in-chief of Beijing-based Aerospace Knowledge magazine, told the Global Times on Wednesday.
Much of the aircraft's design, major structural manufacturing and key systems are completed in China. He said this marks a significant step forward in China's civil aviation manufacturing capability, placing the country among the few able to develop a modern trunk-line jet and bring it into commercial service. Its expanding operations now represent the next stage of that progress, he added.
As of Monday, the C919 aircraft had served 57 routes linking 25 cities and handled more than 7.5 million passenger trips, said the Commercial Aircraft Corporation of China (Comac), the jet developer, according to Xinhua.
However, the C919 still faces intense competition in a global market dominated by established players. Experts said, however, that its competitiveness could continue to strengthen as operational experience grows and China accelerates indigenous development of key components and systems.
The UK-based aviation industry publication Airline Economics noted on July 13 that Malaysia Airlines continues to consider Comac's C919 as a future fleet option, but Western regulatory certification remains a key requirement before the carrier would consider operating the Chinese narrowbody.
This has also brought into sharper focus the dual considerations of certification and market demand among potential international customers for the C919, as Wang said this is precisely why the C919's continued expansion into new routes and markets matters. 
As cross-border services expand, the C919 will also need to move closer to international operating standards by building a support network that goes beyond its domestic maintenance system to cover the full cycle of international operations, including regulatory coordination, overseas maintenance facilities and spare-parts logistics, Han Tao, an expert with China's civil aviation think tank, told the Global Times on Wednesday. 
Strengthening these capabilities will be crucial to supporting more international routes and meeting the standards and operational needs of potential overseas customers, Han said.
Meanwhile, industry observers noted that China is also stepping up efforts to advance key components and systems for large commercial aircraft, an area that remains a major challenge for most countries' aviation industries, with mature capabilities still largely concentrated in the US, the UK and France.
Pushing boundaries, sharing opportunities
As the C919 flies farther, it is carrying with it not only China's advances in high-end manufacturing, but a broader story of how Chinese innovation is moving from breakthroughs at home to new possibilities shared with the world.
Underpinning that shift is China's expanding advanced manufacturing capacity and increasingly complete industrial ecosystem, which are helping turn technological breakthroughs into scalable products, a Chinese expert said.
China is upgrading its traditional industrial base while cultivating new sectors that could shape future competitiveness, seeking to move beyond scale and cost advantages toward a more innovation-driven industrial model, injecting new impetus into the country's high-quality development, according to Xinhua's another report on July 21.
The nation's 15th Five-Year Plan underscores the development of a modernized industrial system with advanced manufacturing as its backbone, the report said.
China's vast and diverse market provides advanced manufacturing with something equally important as technological capability: abundant real-world scenarios for testing, refinement and commercialization, Bian Yongzu, executive deputy editor-in-chief of Modernization of Management magazine.
This helps turn breakthroughs into mature, scalable products more quickly. Over the longer term, he said, advanced manufacturing will strengthen China's competitiveness by combining stronger industrial capabilities with complete supply chains and global cooperation, allowing more Chinese technologies, products and solutions to reach international markets, Bian said.
Aviation manufacturing, as a key pillar of high-end manufacturing, is benefiting from this broader push toward industrial upgrading and technological innovation.
At the fourth China International Supply Chain Expo held in Beijing in June, a complete aviation industry innovation chain stands out, spanning aviation materials, core forgings and low-altitude economy applications, drawing widespread attention to the participating companies, Xinhua reported.
Bian said that a complex project such as the C919 can drive coordinated upgrades across advanced materials, precision equipment, core components, system integration, logistics and skilled talent. In this sense, building a large commercial aircraft is a comprehensive test of a country's industrial depth, supply-chain coordination, and ability to turn sophisticated technologies into reliable commercial products.
。    The following is a transcript of an interview with Sen. Bernie Sanders, Independent of Vermont, that aired on "Face the Nation" on September 3, 2023.

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ROBERT COSTA: And we now go to Vermont Senator Bernie Sanders, who is joining us from Burlington. Good morning, Senator Sanders, we appreciate you being here.SEN. BERNIE SANDERS: Morning, Bob.      ROBERT COSTA: Senator, President Biden is touting the latest jobs numbers, but your recent speech in New Hampshire painted a bleak picture of the nation's economic reality. When you met with President Biden at the White House in recent days, what exactly did you tell him, Senator? And did you warn him, like you warned in New Hampshire, that, quote, 'Democrats must reject the corporate wing of the party?'SEN. SANDERS: Well, Bob, what I have said publicly, time and again, is that President Biden and his administration have made some real progress in addressing issues that have not been dealt- dealt with in decades. We finally took on the pharmaceutical industry, and we're beginning to make some progress in lowering the cost of prescription drugs, a lot more has to be done. After years of talk, we finally invested in rebuilding our crumbling infrastructure, roads, bridges, water systems. Manufacturing is coming back in America. So, I think we're making some progress, but everybody knows that for decades now, not just under Biden, not just under Trump, but for decades now, what we have seen in America is an economy in which the very, very wealthy are doing phenomenally well while working families are struggling. Today, Bob, we don't talk about it much, we have more income and wealth inequality than we have ever had in the history of the United States. This is way before Biden. But what we're seeing now is 60 percent of our people living paycheck to paycheck, we have a health care system which is totally broken, we pay the highest prices in the world for prescription drugs. We've got 18 million households, where people are spending 50 percent of their income trying to pay the rent or pay a mortgage. So, we have some structural problems in America. The Biden administration has made some progress, we have got a long way to go. And what the Democratic Party has got to do is have the guts to take on corporate greed, which is unprecedented, all over the economy. The people who own the large corporations have enjoyed record breaking profits, we got to create an economy that works for all, not just a few.                  ROBERT COSTA: Senator, you met with the President, you discussed these issues. You just heard from Ambassador Haley, she was attacking Vice President Harris. Are Democrats doing enough to support vice president Harris and she faces these kinds of attacks?SEN. SANDERS: Well, I think the issue is, are Democrats doing enough to win back a working class, which is leaving the Democratic Party? And what in my view Democrats have got to do is say, "Really? Do you really want to vote for a Republican Party, which wants to cut Social Security, we got to expand Social Security. Wants to cut Medicare, we have got to expand Medicare to include dental, hearing and vision. We got a Republican Party out there that doesn't even recognize the reality of climate change.' So I think, Bob, what this campaign is going to- should be about is a contrast between the ideas that work for the working families of this country, and what the Republicans stand for, which is more tax breaks for billionaires and paying allegiance to the needs of corporate America, not ordinary Americans.ROBERT COSTA: But is the administration doing enough? I listened closely to your speech in New Hampshire. The administration's recently taken action on marijuana, for example. But should it do more with executive power? It's taken action on prescription drug negotiations with Medicare. But should it do more? I mean, you- you're out there saying they should be tougher--SEN. SANDERS: And the answer is yes. Bob, the answer is yes, it should. Some of it can be done through executive orders, a lot can be done through legislation. And what I think has got to happen, this is my own view, is I think, what the President has got to say, is give me 50, at least 50 Democrats in the Senate. Give me control over the House of Representatives and by 50 Democrats, I mean, real Democrats, not corporate Democrats, like Manchin and Sinema. And if you do that, within two or three months, we're going to reform health care to move it toward a system which guarantees health care to all people, not just huge profits for the insurance companies. We're going to lower the cost of prescription drugs, so we're not paying any more than the rest of the world. We're going to rebuild our economy, to work for ordinary people, and I think that's got to be the message. Contrast, a progressive agenda for working people versus a Republican agenda.                      ROBERT COSTA: Senator, I know you don't like to talk politics, but you're the one who went to New Hampshire, an early primary state you've done very well in over the years. You support President Biden 100 percent, you've made that clear, but for any reason, if President Biden decides not to seek the Democratic nomination, is a run by Senator Sanders for the nomination on the table next year?SEN. SANDERS: Bob, I think we spend too much time speculating. I think President Biden is going to be the nominee of the Democratic Party and I think if he runs on a strong, progressive agenda, he's not only going to win, he's going to win by a strong vote and I'll tell you why. Because when you look at a Republican Party, it's not only that you have a president, a former president, who has been impeached twice, indicted four times. These are people who deny women in this country have the right to control their own bodies, really? Is that where we are in 2023? Not recognizing the reality of climate change, wanting more tax breaks for billionaires, that's what their agenda is. So I think that in any kind of serious campaign, President Biden and the Democrats will do quite well against that reactionary agenda.ROBERT COSTA: What do you- what do you say, Senator, though, to some of your longtime supporters, who are frustrated because they don't believe the Biden administration's done enough? They may not share your view of how things have gone. And they're thinking about Cornel West, or they're thinking about Robert F. Kennedy, Jr. What's your message to them as they drift toward those others?SEN. SANDERS: Well, my message to them is that we are living in an unprecedented moment in American history. Donald Trump is not only a pathological liar, has not only helped wage an insurrection, if you like, to prevent President Biden from taking office. Not only is denying American democracy, moving against the American democracy. So I think at this moment, Bob, we have got to bring the progressive community together to say, you know what, we're gonna fight for a progressive agenda. But we cannot have four more years of Donald Trump in the White House.ROBERT COSTA: Do you worry about the progressive vote, staying home?SEN. SANDERS: I think if the Democrats come up with a strong agenda that speaks to the needs of senior citizens in this country, and that means raising Social Security benefits, expanding Medicare, if we speak to the needs of young people that is having a lot to do with student debt, if we demand that the wealthiest people in this country stop paying their fair share of taxes, if we come up with a progressive agenda, I think we're going to win and win big. And when we win big, we have to make it clear that we stand with the working class of this country against the kind of corporate greed that we now see.ROBERT COSTA: Senator quickly, you are also the chairman of the Senate Health and Labor Committee. Progressives voters are looking to you as well for action. You're investigating Amazon warehouses right now. Are you committed to issuing a subpoena for Jeff Bezos, the founder of Amazon to come testify or not?                      SEN. SANDERS: Well, we're gonna pick one step at a time. Right now, what we're working on Bob, is major reforms in primary health care. We don't have enough doctors, nurses, dentists,  mental health providers in this country. We're working hard on legislation to do that. We brought Mr. Schultz from Starbucks before the committee, we are looking at Amazon and we'll take it one step at a time, but certainly have no fears. You know, at the appropriate time they may well do that.ROBERT COSTA: Thank you very much. Senator Sanders. We appreciate you taking the time on a Sunday morning, Face the Nation. We'll be back in one minute. Stay with us.                                  。

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